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Are there any women left on FeedTacoma?
on 1/11/2010 @ 9:01pm
|Other than me?
The conversation has been really homogenous lately. I have these really cool women friends who used to post here and one by one they have all gone away. Now I feel like I'm stuck in some kind of Groundhog Day like nightmare scenario of having the same conversation over and over again until I want to stick chopsticks in my eyeballs just to not have to read it anymore.
Just thinking out loud.
by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 1/11/2010 @ 9:10pm
|I'm assuming that SeeJane and Tressie are women. Ixia as well, if I'm not mistaken. There are those that believe Mofo from the Hood is a woman, but I'm having none of that.|
by NineInchNachos on 1/11/2010 @ 9:17pm
by NineInchNachos on 1/11/2010 @ 9:31pm
|hey do mail-order bride references count?|
by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 1/11/2010 @ 9:33pm
|Indeed, along with Stowe's wife. Surely she counts.|
by AngelaJossy on 1/11/2010 @ 9:45pm
|I'm still here even though I haven't posted lately. I've just been a little preoccupied.|
by fredo on 1/11/2010 @ 10:11pm
|"I'm stuck in some kind of groundhog day" Jenyum
In the movie Groundhog Day Bill Murray relives the same day over and over. He initially becomes miserable but then uses the phenomenon to achieve a greater self awareness. Jen, it sounds like you're in the miserable stage, so maybe greater self awareness is right around the corner for you.
by KevinFreitas on 1/11/2010 @ 10:35pm
|Always about 100 times more lurkers than commenters in my web-based statistical experience. Anything particularly feminine friendly or focused that might help bring about more comments and conversation from the fairer sex?|
by jenyum on 1/11/2010 @ 10:43pm
Maybe a little less argumentative intensity would help. For example, if I wanted to argue with Fredo I'd do it in his own thread. It's overwhelming, and I love a good debate.
by Mofo from the Hood on 1/11/2010 @ 11:48pm
|I'll say that all the women here and mentioned (not including me) are extraordinarily bright, and that intimidation factor partially explains why the masses of average women are content to politely stay silent.
by morgan on 1/12/2010 @ 6:17am
|Jenyum: Want to start FeedFredo.com?|
by jenyum on 1/12/2010 @ 8:33am
|Mofo: I wouldn't say they are intimidated, so much as they don't see the point in bothering anymore. At least, that's what some have told me. The truth is this is not some kind of graded homework assignment, there's no reason to hang out here if it's constantly hostile.
This place was more interesting when more people would actually post, as opposed to "politely staying silent."
Morgan: uh, yeah. It's been what, 2 years now? I'm ready to hear from other people. About other things.
by thriceallamerican on 1/12/2010 @ 8:46am
|Morgan/jenyum: Idea! How about FeedTrollcoma.com?|
by Emilie has one foot on shore on 1/12/2010 @ 9:15am
|Hey-- @KF... Guess I qualify as a lurker a lot of the time. :)|
I'm "new-ish" to FeedTacoma (11 months), and I think I've prob posted in response to discussion maybe... 5 times? I link my personal blog often when it's something to do with...well, Tacoma. Poetry events. Restaurants I love. Theatre stuff. Pimping out my band.
As for the lack of discussion points? Well..... intimidation is not a factor, and neither is "not bothering" or being polite. I'm *mostly* interested in *most* of the discussion... at least 75%, which is a darn good ration, I think.
It's just... am I allowed to say this? Will I get banned for life?... I'm really not all that into politics. (Bwuhhh?!?!)
I read this blog to know what's going on in the community in terms of events, openings and closings, and the general esprit (as far as it carries here). And yes, I know... all of those things are part and parcel to the politics of a city and it's people... don't jump down my throat just yet, please.
I vote. I have opinions. I take action to support causes. I just don't do it or talk about it here. But, like I said, I'm *mostly* interested in what others have to say... so I keep reading it. I am not, however, often inspired to enter these particular discussions.
There's definitely the feel that people here know how to talk to each other [read: push each other's buttons for good and evil], honed from months'nyears of practice.
But I certainly wouldn't call it a hostile environment (again, *most* of the time)... if it was, I'd have quit reading 10.75 months ago.
But sure... more ladies would be nice. Even the average masses. I'll try to be one of them more often.
by jenyum on 1/12/2010 @ 9:27am
You used to post about the "One Store," right? I'd love to hear more about some other things not directly related to politics.
I think it seems more hostile to me as they are often my buttons being pushed. I am going to make more of an effort to stop feeding the trolls.
by wildcelticrose on 1/12/2010 @ 9:32am
|I got out of the habit over the holidays.
I am now in the middle of my busiest season at work, and just don't have the time to comment on everything I'd like. (feed tacoma is not the only place this is happening, I'm lurking everywhere at this point)
I only post blog links when they are Tacoma specfic
I am reading you all.
by Emilie has one foot on shore on 1/12/2010 @ 9:41am
|Hey Jenyum-- my blog is onefootonshore... is that what you mean? :) I agree that there seemed be more ladies awhile ago-- I was partic. interested in the artists/writers posting, but sadly don't remember names. Shoot.|
by Mofo from the Hood on 1/12/2010 @ 9:44am
|Hey Jenyum, don't you think that most of the stuff posted on Feed Tacoma is just fluffy entertainment?
On the occasion when a hard news item is posted, if any such post contains factual errors, then those critical thinkers who respect and guard truth should seek to correct factual errors. That's how freedom of speech is ultimately preserved.
At the point where people start to promote all ideas as equal, that's where society starts a tailspin into confusion and chaos.
by fredo on 1/12/2010 @ 9:44am
|Is Fredo killing feedtacoma?
That's an interesting question. I don't think I post anything that is truly offensive but I can see where my style might rub some people the wrong way. I know I ask questions that some people don't want asked. Emilie says she only posts on subjects of interest to her. Similarly I only post on topics of interest to me (as nice as chalk art is I don't have anything to say about it).
Here's a related issue. Is apathy killing feedTacoma, or for that matter, is apathy killing all the feedTacoma-like local discussion blogs? Here are 2 other local blogs: tacomamamma and exit133. The discussions going on there are fredo-free but are typically comment-free as well.
While I think the attacks on me are really a vieled attack on conservatism I will try to make sure I don't offend people, especially women people. That's my new years resolution.
by jenyum on 1/12/2010 @ 10:04am
|I loved JCBetty's blog. She's a good friend in real life, as well. People would read it, and actually comment! It was just about life, and entertaining.
I would write more in my own blog but it receives little in the way of commentary and I can't afford (monetarily or calorically) to eat out 4 times a week to keep bringing in the traffic. Unlike JCBetty I am not brave enough to write much about my actual life anymore, I don't need to give anybody ammunition.
I have a few newsy/political things I've been sitting on, but as has been noted that's not the most popular topic. Seems to turn people off from posting, as well as reading. It's great when other people post there. (It's also great when other people post here.)
by Mofo from the Hood on 1/12/2010 @ 10:36am
|As far as I can tell, most people would prefer more topics, not less.
However, reductionism is a characteristic of the times we live in. There's a whole lot of people scheming to revise or eradicate categories of ideas that have shaped civilization for centuries.
For example: Good & Evil. Nowadays it can be considered offensive to remark about actions in such terms. An action may be the result of ignorance or mental illness or personal choice; but to attribute an action as Good or Evil----Bite your tongue.
by seejane on 1/12/2010 @ 11:15am
|I was wondering about 5Views the other day while I was doing the dishes.
I like Fredo's posts too and the comments. Everyone spinning one way or the other. It's entertaining and sometimes enlightening.
It's like going to my Dad & Mom's. Dad watches FOX News and O'Reily then switches over to MSNNBC to watch Oberman. He finds the outlandish spinning amusing. I can't believe anyone on earth thinks either one is a true journalist.
oh and.... if I don't get to Weight Watchers soon I'll be 2 women!
by morgan on 1/12/2010 @ 11:20am
|Are blogs dead?|
by jenyum on 1/12/2010 @ 11:26am
|I guess I like my online hangouts to feel more like a community and less like a show we are putting on.|
by KevinFreitas on 1/12/2010 @ 11:59am
|@Emilie re: rules of engagement -- I have few. Keep things civil and that's about it. This is not a "G" rated site to go ahead and say what you want however you want. The only times I've ever banned anyone were a couple blatant spammers that wandered through.|
Overall, content/contribution matters to keep a community together. I feel a definitely apathy that has had people focus on things other than community both in person and online (where, really, it should be easier). FeedTacoma is completely open to anyone blogging and posting about whatever they'd like. There's a New Topic button right there on the homepage anyone's welcome to press anytime, a completely free events calendar that anyone can post their events to, blogging tools, and even a place any local business, artist, musician, etc can setup shop and sell online for free.
When times are tough it's easy to retreat, I understand that, but that's also when having connections to others matters most. This site provides a great opportunity for anyone who lives and loves Tacoma to easily contribute to the local conversation (whether the topic is heavy and deep or just light and fun!) and that will never change. Enjoy and, as always, please let me know if there's anything I can help foster or even add to the site to help all the amazing people in this area get together and contribute to making this a great place to live, work, and play.
And if anyone would like to contribute in ways other than directly to the conversation I have plenty of ways you could help keep things rolling by volunteering a little time each week.
by tacomachickadee on 1/12/2010 @ 1:09pm
|Jen! You can be ze Lorax for ze womenz! :)
(And every blue moon or so I comment ... ;) )
by morgan on 1/12/2010 @ 1:21pm
|I too have been turned off by the conversation stoppers and grandstanding. Doesn't really make for interesting conversation. Facebook is inane, but at least you know who you are relating with. I have no idea who Crenshaw and Fredo are. What good is it hiding behind avatars? I would prefer to converse with a face behind the name.|
by AngelaJossy on 1/12/2010 @ 1:33pm
|Funny you should mention Facebook. I think Facebook has distracted us from FeedTacoma in a way because so many Tacomans are on there - and yes - we mostly know who we are talking to and talking about random silly things is completely appropriate there. |
FeedTacoma got a lot more newsy and political this year and sometimes I wonder if my journal-style blog comes across too frivolous and/or self-centered in comparison to bigger more important issues.
If people enjoy and miss the personal accounts from individuals then saying so might be just the thing to bring them back.
by L.S.Erhardt on 1/12/2010 @ 1:38pm
|I dislike the politics myself.
But as for Facebook, I dunno. I have one, but it's just too much effort. I can check FT like once or twice a day. You have to check FB hourly, it seems.
by jenyum on 1/12/2010 @ 1:45pm
|Well, I miss them. Just because I may have fallen down the "Citizen Journalist" rabbit hole doesn't mean I want to live there all the time.
In total agreement with the anonymity factor. I get why people with government jobs want to remain (sort of) anonymous, but they usually converse as politely as they would in casual conversation anyway. Honestly, most of us know who Fredo is anyway.
by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 1/12/2010 @ 1:54pm
|I'm still working on a new blog called Exit134, a site for people that have gone too far.|
by L.S.Erhardt on 1/12/2010 @ 1:56pm
|Better than Exit 132 for people who prefer Fife.|
by Mofo from the Hood on 1/12/2010 @ 2:06pm
|If conversation was just about conveying information then I probably would have checked out long ago.
Style over substance is the general rule in these parts, and anybody who says that they are not trying to persuade others to a point of a view, "Totally trippin."
by KevinFreitas on 1/12/2010 @ 2:10pm
|@Angela: I love/miss yours (and other people's) personal posts! I'm just as easily into personal musings and perspectives as I am news (which is often without a personal connection).|
by Maria on 1/12/2010 @ 2:50pm
|I am a woman and participate in conversations from time to time. Usually re: arts or literary events, or community issues. I actually enjoy "debating" respectfully on more controversial topics (pit bulls, prevailing wages, XYZ Corportation sucks or not, etc.), but I'm 100% into respectful, intellectual conversations without personal attacks. Also I live outside the city limits, so on things like elections, school levies, etc. I don't have much of an opinion.|
I post events on the calendar & on the site from time to time, but mostly I read or comment if something incites or intrigues me.
Around the holidays (November 15 until end of January), I get busy cooking, seeing people and cleaning up after all the fun...so I don't participate as much.
I like reading about what's going on in Tacoma/the region and hearing what people are thinking, from a variety of perspectives, so I hope more ladies might comment from time to time.
by Mandiferous on 1/12/2010 @ 2:56pm
|I check FT every week day and most weekends. I enjoy reading about hyper-local issues that may not have made it into the Trib or on komonews.com. I contribute occasionally, but only to inform the public about Tacoma events that I've had a hand in creating. While I enjoy RR's Tacomic, I'm not much for online moral or political discussions-- I just don't have the energy.|
by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2010 @ 3:07pm
|why a courteous hat-tip to you too Mandiferous.|
by Erik on 1/12/2010 @ 3:23pm
|Great thread jenyum!|
by Girl Who <3 JUNK on 1/12/2010 @ 4:14pm
It's me One Store (Deidre). I mostly read FT and sometimes comment. I mostly write on FB now.
I'm with Mandi "I'm not much for online moral or political discussions-- I just don't have the energy."
I do like to see what's going on around town.
Since I closed my store lastyear, I might be in Tacoma twice or three times a month.
by david on 1/12/2010 @ 8:34pm
|I like this topic. It's nice to see everyone chipping in! I usually only comment on the political stuff, but I will try to participate more this year. Perhaps I will even post my own blog! I've never done that before! =)|
by jenyum on 1/12/2010 @ 9:26pm
Sorry I got you and Emilie mixed up.
Mandi: I'm right there with you right now on the not having the energy thing. I wouldn't get into it to the extent that I do were it not that a topic important to me is continually brought up. I just hate to see this place get so quiet. Maybe we can get some fresh voices and some new topics.
Oh, and David: Please do! Post away!
by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2010 @ 9:32pm
|Anyone see palin on fox? She's a woman.|
by Non Sequitur on 1/12/2010 @ 9:43pm
|I used to be a woman.|
by panachronic on 1/13/2010 @ 1:58pm
|"FeedTacoma got a lot more newsy and political this year and sometimes I wonder if my journal-style blog comes across too frivolous and/or self-centered in comparison to bigger more important issues."
Don't be silly. I watch for your posts and read them first when I land on FT and see one in the recent post list. You're an interesting person.
by AngelaJossy on 2/6/2010 @ 11:02pm
|Well, I wrote a blog on FeedTacoma - an actual blog written by an actual female person and what happened? Crickets. Nobody said bupkis. I guess people with penis's are more comment worthy? Perhaps they hold a grudge because I've been away so long? Or maybe I wasn't controversial enough to start a riot. :) I should have been more cantankerous and insulted somebody! hehehe
Maybe its just that its a weekend, the sun was out today and nobody was home reading blogs. I'm gonna choose to believe that was it. :)
How are you? You're kinda quiet over there, eh?
by jenyum on 2/6/2010 @ 11:15pm
|I left you a comment :P
Yeah, I'm kinda quiet at Tacomamama. For one thing, if I actually shut up for a while people start using the forums. Otherwise, I dunno, I'm not sure if another school story is interesting to people.
I'll get back to it soon I think, I've just been in a funk.
by Erik on 2/6/2010 @ 11:33pm
|Well, I wrote a blog on FeedTacoma - an actual blog written by an actual female person and what happened? Crickets. Nobody said bupkis. |
It just takes a bit of practice.
Try adding pictures, breaking news, varied font size, angst and seek feedback.
Here is the master Feed Tacoma blogger at work:
Use RR's post as your template for future posts and you will certainly get some feedback.
Try posting some awesome and crazy pictures and video of the art cooperative:
Also, consider a descriptive controversial title like "Hipsters Invade Art Cooperative."
The Volcano staff are pros at drafting titles for their articles. Their current lead article is titled: "True tales of dating horror."
by AngelaJossy on 2/7/2010 @ 12:02am
|Erik, I was only joking. I don't really care that much about comments.
That bit about Freedom Fair *was* breaking news - only a select few people knew about that before today.
BTW - I used to write a lot of those catchy Volcano headlines ya know. :)