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Seattle's Take on Tacoma: Right or Tripe

by KevinFreitas
on 1/28/2013 @ 8:02pm
Tacoma has yet to reach its destiny, Seattle Times, 1/26/2013

Perhaps that’s inevitable. But this effete Seattleite sees much greater potential in gritty Tacoma, especially if it could make a vibrant downtown.

If Pierce County could elevate its economic game, the entire region would benefit. As long as it lags, we’ll all suffer against a world of competitors.

Has this guy even been to downtown Tacoma lately? Or Old Town, 6th Ave, Hilltop, McKinley or Proctor lately? Me thinks not.

by Jesse on 1/28/2013 @ 9:50pm
If Seattle would just quit stealing shit like glass museums (Chihuly), local history museums (MOHAI vs WSHM), and businesses (Russell, Morphotrak) from Tacoma, we'd all be better off. Hell, if Tacoma could just get SOME shopping back from the mall area to downtown we'd be good.

Just imagine a Tacoma with Russell, Weyerhauser, DeVita, State Farm, and shopping all in the downtown core. Couple that with Seattle imagining it's own future, instead of stealing ideas from Tacoma, and we'd really have something here.

But, the biggest problem Tacoma has is it's history of sub-par economics and government being normal and perfectly acceptable. The bar is set low in Tacoma - whether it be vacant lots and storefronts downtown, schools falling apart, bombed out roads, or whatever - the people here seem to be fine with it and oblivious to what may attract wealth to the area. (Hint: It's not the fore-mentioned items)

Oh ya, and one thing Seattle has going for it that Tacoma doesn't is that the whole county seems to recognize the importance of a vibrant and health economy for Seattle where Pierce County citizens bicker between towns where businesses should be and who should get what etc etc... Nobody here recognizes that if Tacoma takes off, I mean really takes off, everyone in the county will benefit. Everyone.

by KevinFreitas on 1/29/2013 @ 7:07am
Wow, seriously right on @Jesse. I agree on all counts and would only add my catch phrase of late: Demand better Tacoma!

Sounds like a drastic call for a city completely off the rails like Mr. Talton would have you believe from his opinion piece. I think we all know what Tacoma lacks and needs since so many of us live it every day. My "demand" statement means to lift our heads up and do something about it.

"But," you might say, "we're asked to do that all the time and, frankly, that burns people in Tacoma out."

Then do less. Seriously. Don't try to take on the whole pie but maybe, instead, just one slice. Is the traffic circle in your 'hood grown over with weeds? Clean it up and get starts from all your nearby neighbors. Do you always visit your Seattle friends but never the other way around? Get new friends or encourage the ones you have to visit you more often. Does a local artist, restaurant, business, etc. put out sub-par work? Support them with constructive, honest criticism so they strive to get better. Did a local official do something right? Let them know instead of complaining about unfilled potholes all the time.

And on and on. Pick one thing in or about Tacoma and demand better of it. Then watch what happens.

by dolly varden on 1/29/2013 @ 8:51am
One thing that might help is if southeast Pierce County seceded from Tacoma -- meaning everything from Puyallup east and Lakewood/Parkland south.  Seems like it would be an amicable separation from a political perspective!

by tacoma_1 on 1/29/2013 @ 8:56am
I read the article and the author seemed spot on to me. We are a suburban car dependent city without a vibrant downtown core, and therefore unable to attract or retain young talent.

Unlike Seattle, who has a vibrant urban core and a majority of urban dwellers and voters, Tacoma's urban dwellers and voters are outnumbered by our suburban neighbors. Thus we end up with the worst of both worlds. Suburban car dependent sprawl, urban decay, and high crime stats. 

by JesseHillFan on 1/29/2013 @ 9:10am
Don't worry the car over dependency will solve itself over a few decades from now (Gas,Diesel will get too expensive,carbon fuel tax,very likely a government imposed limitation (rationing) on fossil fuels due to global warming, inefficient electric cars too expensive for most).Suburbia is not really a problem as other forms of transportation make it easy to travel through quickly.  

by KevinFreitas on 1/29/2013 @ 9:11am
I think the points he makes are valid but very well know facts. He also offers up zero solutions -- only critique. Again, fine. But, now living in Seattle myself, it's still overall a collection of hot spots/neighborhoods in my opinion. Sure there are more of them but Tacoma's getting this right in a few places.

Downtown Seattle is largely an area activated during the daytime by a massive workforce. Shopping, show venues, and attractions like the Pike market help keep that workforce and also attract tourists. Now it seems more and newer residential, mixed-use developments are replacing older, shorter buildings.

Which came first? What's the shot in the arm Tacoma needs for a vibrant downtown that has a mix of residents, tourists, and employees?

by JesseHillFan on 1/29/2013 @ 9:27am
Well this area will be transformed and most local residents will shift to becoming local craftsmen,lots of little shops (like RR does) and even residential farming amongst other things.Probably a shift to smaller more energy efficient homes instead as McMansions will become too exorbitantly costly to heat or supply electrical energy to.Probably lots of home energy related local shops will crop up as well.It will be more local and more self sustaining I think.Just an opinion.

by cisserosmiley on 1/30/2013 @ 12:39am
This reminds me of a Taoist principle: if you fall in a river do not fight to climb out, let yourself be carried effortlessly by the river & climb out where you have washed ashore.  Tacoma, your river is a bedroom community, let yourself be carried away & wash ashore in a quaint network of cool village'esq neighborhoods. It might make you happy to stop fighting the current.

by NineInchNachos on 1/30/2013 @ 7:53am
the SHIFT is happening

by NineInchNachos on 1/30/2013 @ 8:09am
two words:  kalakala

by NineInchNachos on 1/30/2013 @ 8:27am

by NineInchNachos on 1/30/2013 @ 8:51am

by cisserosmiley on 1/30/2013 @ 9:16am
The Kala Kala is a superb example of the Taoist has washed ashore in Tacoma, it should stay here. 

by NineInchNachos on 1/30/2013 @ 10:53am
he's on KUOW right now talking about his column!!!  he's funny.

by low bar on 1/30/2013 @ 12:06pm
[quote]we'd all be better off.[/quote]

Not following this logic Jesse.

Who is this we? Are we pissed off at the Japanese bc they steal from America and make things ten times better?

Tacoma does need to step up its game. It needs to do Tacoma, only ten times better.

Unfortunately Portland and Seattle are calling T-town out with their success, and the we, as in we Americans, don't shrink from challenges. Especially not economic challenges because we invented the game. Tacoma just needs to play it better. 

Tacoma screwed the pooch by not getting I don't know if that's a tax issue or a cultural one.

[quote]and therefore unable to attract or retain young talent.[/quote]

Has everyone forgotten that down town Tacoma is a college town?

So why does the dome not belong to UWT?

by low bar on 1/30/2013 @ 12:21pm
All I can garner from that article is Tacoma screwed the pooch by building it's Union station next to the port. Obviously Union Station should have gone where Ruston is, and the rail line extended across Gig Harbor into the Olympics to get at them trees. I think this historical mistake is almost impossible to recover from.

So I like Ciss's idea of the village network better.

by JesseHillFan on 1/30/2013 @ 4:05pm
Here is what Tacoma should work

Other good car free city  videos at his channel too.

This one too good to overlook too.

by cisserosmiley on 1/30/2013 @ 6:11pm
The UWT could have a NCAA men's basketball team that plays in the Tacoma Dome.  

by low bar on 1/30/2013 @ 6:48pm
@Ciss Now we are thinking like the pros. 

To add one more men and women, but mostly men, LOVE status.

So how do you expect to attract the white collar when you have them working DT right next to the blue collar smoke belching port?

Sorry, but that's not how business men of status get their bragging rights if their offices are heaped in with the plebs.

No offense to the 'grit' of Tacoma, but that's just how it works psychologically for the white collar.

by cisserosmiley on 1/30/2013 @ 7:36pm higher class strip clubs ?

by low bar on 1/30/2013 @ 8:48pm
Ciss how many times you see the cast of Mad Men need strip clubs to get the job done? They just do that stuff in the office after hours. Strip clubs are for plebs.

Heck I bet you if the planes that hit the twin towers had done so after working hours at least 5 couples and a trio would have been fucking their way to ground zero. In fact I think that is the entire reason for the attack. Religion is such a major cock block.

Which reminds me. What did Giuliani tell everyone to do the next day? He said go to the movies. Go spend. And that's why we need a Cinerama downtown Tacoma and not a bunch of strip club terrorist magnets. At least not ones without Death Star lasers on the roof.

by NineInchNachos on 1/31/2013 @ 9:40am
if people in Seattle are going to take us seriously we need to fill the real life superhero Phoenix Jones gap here in Pierce County.