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27th District voters face election dilemma
on 10/22/2010 @ 4:10pm
|Who do want to win the election:
Laurie Jinkins who is accused of running for office in violation of the Hatch Act
Jake Fey who is a long time government employee now accused of double dipping?
The Democratic Party keeps giving the electorate so many reasons to be cynical.
by NineInchNachos on 10/22/2010 @ 4:11pm
|heh though i'd post the link here to drive you crazy
by NineInchNachos on 10/22/2010 @ 4:12pm
|I told people to vote for Jessica Smeall but did anyone listen? NOOOO.|
by tacoma1 on 10/22/2010 @ 5:31pm
|fredo...........being the teaparty type, probably has to hold his nose to vote for either of these highly educated and well qualified candidates.
No dilemma for me though. Jake's got my vote.
by fredo on 10/22/2010 @ 6:31pm
|well at the risk of sounding quarrelsome, I'm wondering if highly educated and well qualified candidates shouldn't be expected to determine if they are qualified to run for office before filing, or to disclose to the voters that they are receiving both a government paycheck and pension check at the same time.
I'm glad you're so pleased with your double-dipping candidate.
by jenyum on 10/22/2010 @ 7:43pm
|Somehow, the fact that she oversees so many budgets (including federal funds) doesn't seem like a downside to me. As she says, she's taken leave to run and in any case is eligible to serve. The Hatch act effects her employment status, not her actual ability to be a candidate. Not caring for the angle the TNT story took.|
by fredo on 10/22/2010 @ 8:18pm
|Jenyum, here's the relevant provision of the Hatch Act:
It (the Hatch Act) dictates that persons below the policymaking level in the executive branch of the federal government must not only refrain from political practices that would be illegal for any citizen but must abstain from "any active part" in political campaigns.
An amendment on July 19, 1940 extended coverage to state and local employees whose salaries include any federal funds.
I like Laurie, but in retrospect she probably should have reviewed her candidacy with an attorney.
by NineInchNachos on 10/22/2010 @ 8:26pm
|false alarm! TNT just tryin to sell newspapers again.|
by jenyum on 10/22/2010 @ 9:18pm
|right... but the remedy if found to be in violation is a change in employment status not disqualification for office. Even the TNT article acknowledged this.|
by fredo on 10/23/2010 @ 7:49am
|A few months ago we were laughing at the stupid voters in Bell, California where a number of elected officials were drawing unconsionable levels of pay and pensions. Now I'm finding little to distinguish Tacoma from Bell. It's time for Jake to quit the legislative race and relinquish his college position. Stop bringing dishonor to our city...that's RR's job.|
by jenyum on 10/23/2010 @ 9:05am
|"Double Dipping" is totally legal. Usually, it's a temporary situation. My dad did this for a while after he retired from the state of CT. They would bring him on for a month or two at a time when they needed him, because it was more cost effective than hiring someone new.
If at some point it becomes illegal, that would be different.
by fredo on 10/23/2010 @ 9:18am
|Jen, I never raised the issue of legality. I'm pretty sure the people accused of bilking the city of Bell California will claim at trial that everything they did was legal.
This is a moral issue. I can't speak to the situation your father was in but clearly when Jake Fey was rehired to his old job at WSU after the statutory 30 day waiting period he became engaged in double dipping. People who don't intend to retire from public service should not be applying for government pensions. This violates the spirit, if not the letter, of the state pension system.
by fredo on 10/23/2010 @ 9:31am
|If double dipping is legal and honorable, then why did the News Tribune run a story about Jake Fey double dipping? What's the story?
And another question. When educators engage in double dipping does that tend to increase or decrease taxpayer willingness to vote for higher education taxes? The districts may save a few bucks by hiring these retired clowns back for "temporary assignments" (in Jake's case it's not temporary) but if they alienate the voters and cause the failure of a school levy haven't they really undermined the effort to increase school funding?
Jen, as keen as you are to see adequate school funding I'm a little surprised that you would endorse behaviors which bring ridicule on educators.
by jenyum on 10/23/2010 @ 10:16am
|This is a university, not a school district, so it doesn't have anything to do with k12 school funding.
I'm not saying it doesn't sound like a problematic practice for the university (and one that they are addressing, according to the article) but it's not like Jake Fey did this in secret or violated any laws. What's the story? I don't know, I guess talking about Pam Roach and Matt Richardson got boring.
by jenyum on 10/23/2010 @ 10:18am
|What's amusing to me is that if this conversation were about a conservative candidate with a business background taking advantage of tax loopholes, you'd be all about how that was his right.|
by fredo on 10/23/2010 @ 10:25am
|"it's not like Jake Fey did this in secret or violated any laws"
Did Fey provide the tribune with the information for this story? I just re-read all his campaign brochures which came to my mailbox. I didn't see any mention of this double or triple dipping arrangement. Hard to believe he would miss the opportunity to show how much he cares for the citizens. Do you suppose it slipped his mind?
by fredo on 10/23/2010 @ 10:28am
|"This is a university, not a school district, so it doesn't have anything to do with k12 school funding."
All these teachers are funded by the taxpayers. And while Jake is a university level double dipper, there are plenty of examples of K-12 double dippers. Why split hairs? This is a black eye for publicly paid educators. Just admit it.
by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/23/2010 @ 5:08pm
|I am sure there aren't any conservative politicians that are collecting more than one pension while still holding down a government job or lobbying for one organization or another. I just couldn't imagine how they would do such a thing. Clearly this is something only liberal politicians do.|
by fredo on 10/23/2010 @ 5:39pm
|"Clearly this is something only liberal politicians do." crenshaw
You neglected to mention any names so I guess this is a sort of typical Sepulvedian abstraction. What makes Democratic party double dipping so fascinating is that Democrats always like to portray Republicans as greedy. Sort of hard for Fey to sound like a champion of the common man when he's wheelbarrowing his money to the bank every month.
Go ahead and name some republican double dippers. I oppose people collecting a government pension and taking a government job regardless of party affiliation so I won't display any inconsistency in my position.
by tacoma1 on 10/24/2010 @ 11:36am
|The dble dipper issue is largely manufactured nonsense. If a person earns a pension, the can retire and collect their pension. At that time, the employer needs to replace that employee. In the case of public employees, we the tax payers should want to hire the most qualified employee available. Often times, that person will turn out to be the very same retiree, as they would require no training, and will not be eligible for another pension in 20 years.|
by fredo on 10/24/2010 @ 11:51am
|"In the case of public employees, we the tax payers should want to hire the most qualified employee available." tacoma1
In Jake's case the school didn't make any effort to determine who the most qualified employee was. There was no attempt to seek or interview applicants nor was the public informed of the job opening, the job was just given right back to Mr. Fey. This is the definition of double dipping. If we keep giving every public job back to the most experienced people then pretty soon we're going to have a work force made up of senior citizens who obviously have more experience than anyone else. How are younger people ever going to get the experience they need?
There is no way you can convince me that double dipping is beneficial to the public interest. If it was beneficial then Mr. Fey would have prominently declared this arrangement in his campaign brochure. But I must say, he kept the double dipping hidden for quite a few years. Ah, he's a sneaky one. That's probably why he got the nickname Jake the Snake.
by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/24/2010 @ 11:57am
|I thought it was because Jake rhymes with Snake.|
by fredo on 10/24/2010 @ 12:02pm
|I used to think that too.|
by jenyum on 10/24/2010 @ 12:55pm
|If he retired and took his pension (which was something that he had earned) and went back to work in the private sector this wouldn't even be an issue. If the state wants to stop hiring people back after they take their pensions then they should stop doing that, it's not the fault of the employee.
How many former government workers or service members get some form of pension and still draw a salary from private sector employment, public sector employment, or public office? Looking at all the gray hair in congress my guess is many, on both sides of the aisle.
by fredo on 10/24/2010 @ 1:06pm
|" If he retired and took his pension (which was something that he had earned) and went back to work in the private sector this wouldn't even be an issue." Jenyum
Well Jenyum you get it, even if nobody else does.
by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/24/2010 @ 1:09pm
|Apparently Jake is valuable to the state but not so valuable to the private sector.|
by fredo on 10/24/2010 @ 1:33pm
|In order to lessen the confusion I've posted a definition of double dipping. Fey's arrangement fits this definition exactly.|
The practice of drawing two incomes from the government, usually by holding a government job and receiving a pension, as for prior military service.
by NineInchNachos on 10/24/2010 @ 2:13pm
|doesn't double dipping have sexual connotations too?|
by fredo on 10/24/2010 @ 2:29pm
by tacoma1 on 10/24/2010 @ 8:01pm
"If we keep giving every public job back to the most experienced people then pretty soon we're going to have a work force made up of senior citizens who obviously have more experience than anyone else. How are younger people ever going to get the experience they need"
A few age discrimination lawsuits would solve all of our problems...........................
by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/24/2010 @ 9:08pm
|Fey should do the honorable thing and withdraw from the race for State Representative. His disrespect for the taxpayer is beyond the pale. He takes the voters for fools with his statements regarding this matter. fredo is right, he's a greedy old man. Those at the university that were complicit in making these arrangements for Fey should be fired and possibly charged with malfeasance. |
Double dipping could involve the use of a double headed Dino-Didier Dildo. Fey has shown us this is possible to accomplish without the dildo as far as the tax payer is concerned.
by cisserosmiley on 10/25/2010 @ 4:30am
|He should also consider resigning from the council, this failure is going to follow him as a distraction to all our civic progress.|
by fredo on 10/25/2010 @ 7:58am
|Looks like Jake is preparing some remarks to present with regard to the weekend news that he's double or triple dipping into the government treasury. Please click on the link below if you wish to listen in on the live feed:
by NineInchNachos on 10/25/2010 @ 10:02am
|ha! fredo that's the video for the defeat 1098 / repeal candy&pop tax !|
by TacomaScene on 10/25/2010 @ 9:59pm
|Some guy referred to 'ol Jake Fey this morning as "Jake The Flake" and I had to chuckle a bit.
BUT, as I mentioned in a post of mine on a different medium, I can't fathom the guy because of a very specific example of a refusal to get back with me on a situation that is VERY dear to a lot of east side Tacoma residents which has to do with the Puyallup Indian Tribe and what it can and cannot do with trust land and non-trust land.
What I said on the other medium is that I think that I'm going to do a write-in vote for my friend Hill Billy. I think 'ol Hill could do a better job of integrating with street folks that I think 'ol Jake can.
And then there's the other dilemma about his opponent in the race. If she's elected and then is disqualified, the old proverbial WTF will surface and then the vote for her will be in vain, anyway. SO, my friend Hill Billy is going to get my vote this election -- even if he doesn't get on the ballot or even files for the election.
This year, itís strictly going to be a protest vote, plain and simple.
by fredo on 10/26/2010 @ 7:19am
|" I can't fathom the guy because of a very specific example of a refusal to get back with me on a situation that is VERY dear to a lot of east side Tacoma residents which has to do with the Puyallup Indian Tribe and what it can and cannot do with trust land and non-trust land." tacomascene
what's the issue with the Puyallup Indian trust land that's of such interest? even if Jake won't provide you with an answer it's possible someone here at FT might.
I would ask you to vote for Laurie Jinkins. Her politics are a little messed up but I think her heart is in the right place and I believe she will serve with high integrity.
by jenyum on 10/26/2010 @ 11:26am
|She can't be disqualified after being elected. The Hatch act just applies to candidacy.|
by jenyum on 10/26/2010 @ 11:27am
|If Fredo and I both vote for Laurie Jinkins, will the universe implode?|
by cisserosmiley on 10/26/2010 @ 12:08pm
|Quality over quantity!|