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City Grocer pickets...time to put down your signs

by fredo
on 5/27/2012 @ 6:22am
Folks have been picketing the Downtown City Grocer IGA for a long time and it's time for them to put down their signs. This activity makes it harder for downtown to support a grocery store and makes our city look like an armpit.

Nothing is stopping the picketers from joining together to open their own competing grocery store and paying union wages and benefits, and I encourage them to do so.  Why try to interfere in what somebody else is trying to accomplish? 

by L.S.Erhardt on 5/27/2012 @ 8:34am
Freedom to peacefully assemble.

Them being there certainly got your attention. The purpose is to get attention drawn to their cause. Looks like it works...

by fredo on 5/27/2012 @ 8:37am
So if they are successful and get the store to close down will they have achieved something noteworthy and beneficial?

If they want a union market downtown... just build one! 

"Be the change you wish to see in the world" Gandhi

by Jake on 5/27/2012 @ 8:43am
From my understanding the picketers are not even Union members. They are temp workers hired by the Union.

by Non Sequitur on 5/27/2012 @ 8:44am
Fredo has been sounding the alarm about his view on taxes for a long time and it's time for him to throw in the towel. His activity makes it sometimes difficult to read the commentary and makes the website look like trollbait.

Nothing is stopping him from moving to a low-tax paradise like Idaho. I encourage him to do so, as there is no sense in trying to interfere with his desire to pay little tax as possible.

by fredo on 5/27/2012 @ 8:45am

Maybe the IGA could hire some pickets to march in front of the temp agency. Then the temp agency could hire some pickets to march in front of the union hall. 

by Mofo from the Hood on 5/27/2012 @ 11:06am
If it weren't for the pickets, passersby might not have noticed the Pacific Ave grocery store. Let's thank those feet on the street for alerting the poor to a store that sells food for low prices. Remember people: Capitalism is good for everybody--capitalist's have every motivation to increase the physical well-being of the consumer. Profitable, efficient markets and mass production of goods decreases costs for all consumers. Destroying free enterprise hurts everybody, even the protected classes. Think about that the next time you are asked to vote for an entitled citizen--they are the folks that overburden systems, and if left unchecked, they will overburden the capitalist system until it collapses.

by fredo on 5/27/2012 @ 1:39pm
 " Fredo has been sounding the alarm about his view on taxes for a long time and it's time for him to throw in the towel". NS 

Not a discussion about taxes, maybe you got confused. Maybe you could move to a state where confused people go.

by fredo on 5/27/2012 @ 8:24pm

Hey, maybe those pickets should march around in front of Tacoma Food Coop and in front of the local farmers markets. No union workers there either. 

by Joel 413 on 5/28/2012 @ 10:30am
From what I understand it's not the store they are protesting, but the owner and how that owner has treated employees at other grocery stores it owns in the state. I have used that store, and asked the employees how they are being treated, etc. (and their answer didn't appear to be some force fed response from the owner), I make a decent wage and have a good job. It's better than standing around outside holding a sign.
My thought is, if it's not a union shop and the workers are being treated unfairly, they have options available to them as well, such as quitting.

by The Jinxmedic on 5/28/2012 @ 10:54am
The picketeering outside this store is just another example of why this city will never get anywhere. Complain about not having a downtown grocery store for ten years, then actually get a downtown grocery store- and do we celebrate finally getting what we want? No- we picket it. Complete ridiculousness.

by Non Sequitur on 5/28/2012 @ 11:01am
I'm seldom confused, Fredo.

I was actually trying to craft a statement against you by modifying your own words to bring your own behavior under the microscope.
It appears that it went over your head. I'll try to do better and dumb it down next time.

by fredo on 5/28/2012 @ 3:22pm
 " I was actually trying to craft a statement against you by modifying your own words to bring your own behavior under the microscope"

 What words did you modify?  

What behavior did I exhibit?  

No need to dumb down your postings, you're already there.

by inbloodyrise on 5/28/2012 @ 5:54pm
i see what you did there.

by KevinFreitas on 5/29/2012 @ 7:04am
@jinx I celebrate by shopping there on my way to/from work from time to time.

The picketers don't bother me at all because I don't think they're stopping anyone from shopping downtown. In fact, I totally agree with @mofo, they're drawing more attention than anything. If the workers at the new IGA downtown are content, great.

If they're not, they can quit or unionize. I, for one, am happy to have the new grocery shopping option downtown!

by fredo on 5/29/2012 @ 7:07am

It never occurred to me that the pickets might be paid for by the IGA company to attract more shoppers. If this catches on we'll see pickets up all over town in front of virtually every business. And the market demand for picket workers will sky rocket. Our unemployment rate will drop to zero and we'll all be wealthy beyond our wildest dreams.

by Mofo from the Hood on 5/29/2012 @ 8:36am

Occupy Tacoma with Pickets!

by fredo on 8/2/2012 @ 7:11am
 Mayor Strickland weighs in on the subject, and for once her views pretty much mirror Fredo's:

She feels it is unfortunate the union has pickets in front of the business. “As a community, we should want all of our establishments to succeed.”

Strickland added the protest might even be boosting sales. “The pickets may inadvertently draw attention to the store.”

by fredo on 8/2/2012 @ 7:14am

  Nothing is preventing Safeway or smaller union-staffed grocers from opening up stores in competition to City Grocery downtown. Could probably even open up another non-union Tacoma Food Co-op if they really wanted to.

by The Jinxmedic on 8/2/2012 @ 8:25am
They didn't build that. Someone else did.

by NineInchNachos on 8/2/2012 @ 8:46am
paid picketing = jobs.

your differences are your diamonds!

by Cheechmo on 8/2/2012 @ 4:09pm
I don't have the data to back it up, but I think the pickets not only help sales, but create sunshine and rainbows as well.

by ohmrock on 8/2/2012 @ 11:04pm

people are picketing the non-union grocery store because it is another manifestation of the race to the bottom in terms of wages and benefits for working people. you must be thrilled that walmart is building a super-center, because that means even more working poor! just what tacoma needs to make it look like an armpit! but in case you hadn't already noticed, this town doesn't need anymore help in the armpit department.

by low bar on 8/3/2012 @ 1:17am
picketing is a sign of a healthy democracy, or at least one trying to maintain health. exercising your right to assemble and organize is an american virtue, not to mention your constitutional right. be weary of those who would have you not voice your opinions publicly for they obviously have something to lose by your appearance, otherwise they wouldn't be hatin' and perpetratin'

also, fredo, idiot, they're not picketing because of WHERE the grocery store opened. hahahaha moron. back away from the fog machine fredo, its not working.

by cisserosmiley on 8/3/2012 @ 7:43am
UFCW is an organized economic unit that would collect higher revenues if the DT store closed or unionized. Neither side is innocent OR guilty... but both sides are motivated by $$$$$$$$$$$$&$$$$$$ and don't be poly washed by low bar and Fredo......

by Jesse on 8/3/2012 @ 7:48am
@ohmrock:  It is a race to the bottom.  I just read the other day that only 27% of all jobs have these three aspects:
1. Pays over the average wage in America of $37k
2. Has health insurance that the employer pays at least half the premium
3. Has a 401k option
If the article is right, that's so sad...

@lowbar: thanks for the list. I'll try and print it now and use it.

by NineInchNachos on 8/3/2012 @ 8:02am
workers of the world ARISE! 

by low bar on 8/3/2012 @ 11:46am

@cissero thanks for muddying the waters:) with zero number proof. I guess all you have to do for evidence at feedtacoma is use a bunch of dollar signs so thats what I did too. perhaps you'd like to expand on your claim and amuse us with what you think UFCW would do with the DT store's revenue vs what the other guy does with it (hint: other guy's doesn't go to helping an american get healthcare or overtime pay or any kind of pay above the minimum wage so they and their family may have a turkey at christmas).

lets see.....what might the right wing be picketing today, probably some hate message or apologist bullshit on a stick.

by fredo on 8/3/2012 @ 12:58pm

The unions and/or their members are free to open a store DT or any other place. Good luck with your stores, union members. :)

by low bar on 8/3/2012 @ 1:24pm
And fredo is free to leave america if he doesn't like the american worker and an american economy that benefits the american people as equally as it benefits a CEO;) 

race to the bottom indeed, helped along by anti-americans like fredo.

i mean, otherwise just watch the jenga game you once knew as america fall...

by fredo on 8/3/2012 @ 1:51pm
low bar, I guess you'd like Mayor Strickland to leave america too since she said the presence of the pickets was "unfortunate."

Interesting that you defend the right of the pickets to engage in free speech, but you'd like people who disagree with you to stop engaging in free speech and move to another country.  

by low bar on 8/3/2012 @ 2:11pm
it's interesting that after you've practiced your free speech fredo, and clearly are on the wrong side of the argument, not to mention history (not that any of us think you're aware of history), you continue to poison the well with your anti american speech. you're the one who has a problem with union workers exercising their 1st.

You're the one who started the thread to complain about the american worker's voice. You're the one who keeps confusing the subject by stating how others can just do something else if they don't like it. Well why are you being a twit when someone else tells you what you can do if you don't like it? I mean you live in a democracy fredo, you may not like it, but the american people are going to protest economic inequalities, so get used to it man.

As for the major, I didn't vote for her, nor would I vote for any anti-american who doesn't like the american people standing up for a business model that benefits their livelihoods a little more and the livelihoods of the wealth incumbent a little less. I would think the mayor would welcome the american people helping her do her f*cking job for her on the streets. Which is to serve them. Our have we all just forgotten what the definition of representative is?

fredo, why are you such a disgusting stool pigeon for the status quo? And are you not embarrassed that your presence here as one is blindingly apparent? LOL 

by fredo on 8/3/2012 @ 3:52pm
  speech that low bar agrees with=american speech
speech that low bar disagrees with=anti american speech.


by low bar on 8/3/2012 @ 5:24pm
hqhahaha ignorance truly is bliss

don't know why i waste time reasoning with a bug on the windshield of change hahahaha

folks that fredo agrees with can picket, folks that fredo doesn't agree with can't picket.

see how that works fredo? hahahahaha moron

by fredo on 8/3/2012 @ 5:43pm
  ".It is a race to the bottom. I just read the other day that only 27% of all jobs have these three aspects:1. Pays over the average wage in America of $37k2. Has health insurance that the employer pays at least half the premium3. Has a 401k option"

You're bemoaning the labor situation in america.Why don't you describe in detail what you've done personally to create jobs which pay over $37K, have lavish health coverage and a 401K option...or is this job creation business somebody elses responsibility? 

by fredo on 8/3/2012 @ 6:02pm

low, bar i didn't say they CAN't picket. I said they should stop picketing. They are an embarrasement to themselves, our city, and even to the cause they purport to endorse. Their sour grapes picket which has been going on for months is probably turning off far more potential union folks then it's attracting. But I'm just providing an opinion, which seems to correspond with Mayor Strickland's recently stated opinion.  

by low bar on 8/3/2012 @ 6:40pm
ok fredo

folks that fredo AND mayor strickland agree with should picket, folks that fredo AND mayor strickland don't agree with should stop picketing. 

even more proof that fredo is anti-american, anti-constitutional and frankly a bold faced hypocrite for starting this discussion. 

the labor situation??

i'll tell you what the situation is fredo. wall street has awoken the sleeping giant: america's middle class. you think that this election is going to be bad for the conservative manipulation of wall street?? HA you ain't seen nothing yet....

fredo, this isn't about what we've done to create jobs...this is about how your dumbass votes in support of the job killing, middle class killing, tax whining and dodging, conservative cancer in government.

you fredo, started the whiny ass, anti-first amendment thread, so stop trying to divert the attention.

lets talk about your whiny, bemoaning, anti-first amendment thread starting ass.

by fredo on 8/3/2012 @ 8:30pm
heh heh he said "ass" heh heh

by low bar on 8/3/2012 @ 11:01pm
yes fredo, the washington monument would fit nicely into the job growth spike that happened after the sane took back control of the white house in january 2009

just imagine if the giant job loss numbers during the last bush years (with the bush tax cuts in full swing) never happened. you'd think that what with all the 'job creators' making bank off the bush tax cuts there would be some f*cking jobs created? NOPE

Unions didn't create the massive job loss of the bush tax cut era.

screw job growth..what we need are higher wages. And if unions can get us higher wages then awesome. What if the 'job creators' really did trickle some shit down? as in they get giant tax breaks so they can increase worker compensation? then we wouldn't need unions DUH HUH HUH HUH

by fredo on 8/3/2012 @ 11:48pm

  So if the pickets cause City Grocery to go out of business that will result in higher employment numbers or higher wage jobs or more union work or what? I don't get your point.

by low bar on 8/4/2012 @ 12:01am
You facetious prick

Nobody is preventing City Grocery to go open a store somewhere else. Also, nobody is preventing City Grocery from becoming a union store.

Apparently the beef with IGA goes back to a few IGA workers who wanted to become union, but Myer was like HELL NO. but that's against the law...

"Sections 7 and 8 of the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) guarantee employees the right to create, join, and participate in a labor union without being unfairly intimidated or punished by their employers."

Personally I don't see what the problem is with americans getting higher wages and health benefits if they want them. Its all about choice right fredo? Well those IGA workers wanted to have the choice to become union but Myers said no. So f*ck Myers. That's my point.

by fredo on 8/4/2012 @ 7:33am
Ok, I see your point low bar. But after awhile it should be obvious even to the most hardcore union organizer that some particular business owners just don't want that type of arrangement.

There are lots of other vacant grocery store type properties downtown and there's no reason that a group of intelligent folks can't start a second grocery store with the type of labor organization you recommend.

I can see their grand opening sign right now. "Come and shop at our high priced union grocery store...Recommended by LowBar!"

by low bar on 8/4/2012 @ 2:07pm
riddle me this fredo: why are some of our fellow americans having problems paying at "high priced" grocery stores?

by JesseHillFan on 8/4/2012 @ 3:41pm
The best places to obtain food is right in your own backyard (if you have one).Less need (or possibly none) to drive to a grocery store either.

by Jesse on 8/4/2012 @ 6:22pm
One of the best ways to make both political parties happy is to institute much higher tariffs and/or import fees.  The middle-class to upper middle class Republicans could get taxes lower that way as these tariffs used to be, once upon a time, a main source of revenue for the gov't.  The Democrats could get jobs back and our wealth would circulate in the US longer before China gets it's hands on it.

You'll never see this happen because the uber-rich (you know, the people controlling the purse strings for the cons campaigns) have cheap staff overseas.  They also control this from never happening by using patriotic bullshit marketing like "the US worker can compete against anyone in the world" rah-rah crap that Americans are too eager and stupid to buy into.  Have you ever heard that?  I have a million times... but I am not willing to work for $1 an hour like some 8 year old in China and I don't think near slave labor is a great way to build our economy or get the cost down on my Nike shoes. It's a race to the bottom for everyone but the super-rich.

by fredo on 8/4/2012 @ 7:00pm
I think its time for some compromise.

Clearly there are NOT enough jobs available presently at artificially established wage rates. If wage rates can not be brought more in line with true market rates then we are going to continue to have structurally high unemployment.

Tinkering with tax rates and tariffs and throwing an occasional hundred billion dollar stimulus money at the problem isn't going to provide any long term relief. Wage rates must come down. 

by Jesse on 8/4/2012 @ 7:09pm
These "true market rates" as you call them, are rates that American workers must be willing to take because their Chinese counterpart is willing to do the job for 20%.  Is that about right?

Increase tariffs so the American worker has the ability to make more money.  Low tariffs mean that the only people who aren't competing against the average low wage Chinese worker are the uber-rich because they're the ones who own the factories there.

Again, that's a race to the bottom.

by fredo on 8/4/2012 @ 7:15pm
Jesse, you keep describing the plight of the unemployed as a race to the bottom.

These folks don't have jobs and nobody will hire them. How are they racing to the bottom? I don't get it.

chinese laborers make more than Americans who are long term unemployed. If wages come down then maybe a job will open up for them. You make an offer of employment sound like a bad thing. 

by Jesse on 8/4/2012 @ 7:20pm
Yet again twisting my words.  

Re-read my posts. I'm talking about how tariffs could bring manufacturing jobs back to the US and solve much of the unemployment problem here.

Thinking that paying American workers Chinese wages is a good thing means you're advocating for deflation and proves you're a retard.

What deflation does to an economy:

by low bar on 8/4/2012 @ 7:21pm
1st problem that needs to get helped out of the world is calling americans 'these folks'. I don't give a shit what you say but wishing anything less then the best economic well being for every fellow american is pure unabashed distilled sinful treason.

he's twisting your words because thats how they fucking work the fucking fog machine and run out the clock. who the fuck is moderating this shit?

chickens coming home to roost. i'm all for another civil war with the south. can't wait to fix bayonets.

by Jesse on 8/4/2012 @ 7:39pm
On another note, here is a cool site of cartoons that explain many things happening in the world at the most basic levels. Because there isn't anyone on feedtacoma who likes cartoons... right?  =)

by low bar on 8/4/2012 @ 7:59pm
fredo is not a retard, he's a troll. but probably too retarded to be a troll getting paid to poison the well. 

by fredo on 8/4/2012 @ 8:00pm
"Re read my posts" jesse

Your post said "that's a race to the bottom."

I responded directly to this claim.

How would lowering wages cause unemployed folks to race to the bottom? You still haven't explained this phenomenon. Or are the unemployed folks so far off your radar you won't even acknowledge their predicament?

by low bar on 8/4/2012 @ 8:05pm
hahahahahaah "How would lowering wages cause unemployed folks to race to the bottom?"

you don't even know how to use rhetoric in a way that doesn't spell out you're a giant moron ahahahah

by Jesse on 8/4/2012 @ 8:06pm
"How would lowering wages cause unemployed folks to race to the bottom?" -- fredo

Let's say I'm making $70k and I lose my job.  Am I wise to take the first job that comes along at $35k or am I wise to wait until I get a similar job to my last $70k job?  If I take a job for half the pay, I have to not only survive on that but I will now only be worth that $35k from that point forward because companies will reference that as my acceptable last wage.  Basically, accepting the lower wage screws me over for years and years.

by fredo on 8/4/2012 @ 8:14pm
heheh...he called you a giant moron

by fredo on 8/4/2012 @ 8:22pm
  " am I wise to wait until I get a similar job to my last $70k job? "

Probably good to wait if you KNOW you have special skills that somebody else is going to really want to pay for. Would it be a good idea to wait for years rather than take a $35K job? No, I don't think so. Just because somebody paid you $70K at one time in your life doesn't mean you are worth $70K or more for the rest of your life. That doesnt' even make sense.

by fredo on 8/4/2012 @ 8:28pm
 " Basically, accepting the lower wage screws me over for years and years." jesse

But willfully remaining unemployed for years because you might have an inflated ego and won't work for less also screws you over for years and years.

Yes or no? 

by low bar on 8/4/2012 @ 8:44pm
hahahaha its not about egos its about the price of gas and the cost of living and knowing that the economy just like ecology, works like a symbiosis. But if you don't have a piece in your brain that lets you see the symbiosis then what are you going to do? all we can do is hope fredo never procreates hahahahaha

by fredo on 8/4/2012 @ 8:50pm

people will stay out of work for years rather than accept a $35K job because of the high cost of gas and the cost of living. Yes it's much easier dealing with those high costs when you're out of work.

by low bar on 8/4/2012 @ 9:08pm
its much easier dealing with the high costs when you can organize dollars from the grass roots and blast away the job killing, wage killing, middle class killing GOP, which is exactly whats going to happen.

when you say people fredo, do you mean americans? or do you have it to make even more clearer you mean those americans that struggle a little more with life then others? because I don't know about you but just about every religion not to mention common decency says it ok to help others. But somehow your parents fredo forgot to instill that message in you. thats ok. you'll just have to be made to share your cookies:)

by fredo on 8/5/2012 @ 6:42am
Lets talk about the symbiosis that exists between an employer and an employee.

It's a relationship that exists only so long as there is a demand for the product or service created. the price of the product or service is a function of the costs associated. As the costs of the product or service go up the price of the item goes up as well. The demand diminishes as it's price increases. Therefore, as wages go up the demand for labor goes down. When the demand for labor goes down then we experience higher unemployment.

Hope you enjoyed this Sunday morning economics primer. 

by Jesse on 8/5/2012 @ 8:23am
"...the price of the product or service is a function of the costs associated" -- fredo

There's where you'd be wrong.  The cost (to consumer) of a product or service is the function of what people are willing to pay for it.

"...As the costs of the product or service go up the price of the item goes up as well." -- fredo

Not always.  Often times, according to what people will pay for an item or service, it's the net that ends up going down, not the cost to consumer.  If the net becomes not feasible, that market segment dies.

"...The demand diminishes as it's price increases." -- fredo

Almost always true.  Good for you!

"...Therefore, as wages go up the demand for labor goes down." -- fredo

Not always. What is the business' net profit off of said employee?  Every other assumption in your example explains an inflationary market.  That means net revenue , gross revenue, and costs are going up too.

by low bar on 8/5/2012 @ 12:56pm
fredo theres always going to be demand for food, so mr obvious, please just

by low bar on 8/5/2012 @ 1:16pm
"Therefore, as wages go up the demand for labor goes down."

hahahah you dumb moron don't you know that everyone can see that as wages go up the number of yachts a fucking materialistic greedy 'job creator' can buy goes down? hahahahaha which is why your symbiosis theory fredo is total asshattery. hey fredo what are you scared the yacht industry will take a hit if the american people can start making enough money to keep up with inflation? hahahaha

by low bar on 8/5/2012 @ 1:25pm
"we cannot trust the undertakers of business to look out for anyone but themselves, and so we must handcuff them." - Adam Smith 1776

by fredo on 8/5/2012 @ 8:31pm

Hey the striking grocery people can just start their own store and pay themselves union level wages or they can even pay themselves executive/ wall st. type wages. Since they obviously hate the people commonly referred to as "job creators" I'm surprised they haven't thought of that yet. Probably either lazy or stupid. 

by NineInchNachos on 8/5/2012 @ 8:40pm
meanwhile: curiosity is landing on mars.  

by low bar on 8/5/2012 @ 8:51pm
ummmm no fredo's brain is landing on mars if he thinks IGA is on strike hahahahah

all the IGA workers need is a good lawyer to fry the f*cking pants off Myer for breaking the law.

The law fredo...its when you don't have a choice. As in I would love to have the choice to run a red light, but that's as much against the law as Myer keeping IGA workers from choosing the union, and choosing the freedom to obtain higher wages.

by fredo on 8/6/2012 @ 7:21am
The union is paying minimum wage to the people carrying the signs. Or so I've read.

Why is the union running a non-union low wage picketing business in DT? Do we really need any more non-union low wage workers in DT? Apparently the rule down at the union hall is "do as I say, not as I do."

by low bar on 8/6/2012 @ 10:55am
fredo that has got to be some of the most entry level, pea brained rhetoric I've ever seen from you. Do you even believe what you write anymore?

You're like a rhetorically challenged inspector clouseau.

by NineInchNachos on 8/6/2012 @ 12:17pm
solidarity forever

by fredo on 8/6/2012 @ 1:50pm
When IGA pays folks minimum wage= that's bad!

When the local union pays folks minimum wage=that's good!

by low bar on 8/6/2012 @ 1:59pm cute! fredo knows how to compare apples to oranges!!

by fredo on 8/6/2012 @ 2:12pm

comparing one workers wage to another workers wage is comparing apples to oranges. right

by low bar on 8/6/2012 @ 2:18pm
AWE! SUPER CUTE! fredo's really good at kettle logic! 

by fredo on 8/6/2012 @ 2:31pm

kettle logic?...where?

by low bar on 8/6/2012 @ 2:33pm
@NIN The 2003 Ocean shore workers shouldn't have to strike on the law breaking Myer group. Legal funds should get raised at kickstarter and Myer should get their ass put in court for the long haul. We'll see how Myers likes spending yacht money in a court room. All the way to the superior baby. Thats how I'm going to roll after law school YEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWWWWW. I'll be your huckleberry, Judge

by low bar on 8/6/2012 @ 2:34pm
fredo, where not? hahahahahaha

by fredo on 8/6/2012 @ 3:25pm
 " fredo, where not?"

I'll tell you where not...not in any of my postings.

by low bar on 8/6/2012 @ 3:42pm
hahaha another airtight fredopian defense 

by fredo on 8/6/2012 @ 3:47pm
low bar, since you saw an example of kettle logic in my postings it shouldn't be too hard for you to copy and paste it as evidence.

Or is that another computer operation you aren't familiar with? If you don't know how to copy paste then just ask somebody here at feedtacoma, I'd even be happy to give you a tutorial. It's so simple.

by Jesse on 8/6/2012 @ 3:49pm
The real question on this thread now is: Who will have the last word?  

by low bar on 8/6/2012 @ 3:53pm
Sure know who's going to have the last comparison fallacy that's for sure....and his name rhymes with pedo

by fredo on 8/6/2012 @ 4:02pm
Jesse@, are discussions improved when there is a final posting? How does this improve a discussion?   

low bar@ where's a fallacy, where's the kettle logic, where is an example of anything you claim you've seen? do you know how to copy/paste?

by low bar on 8/6/2012 @ 4:14pm
fredo are you a COMPLETE moron? whining to Jesse? hahahaha Why don't you defend against the last statement Jesse made about the race to the bottom with something a little less irritatingly obvious as a suppression of evidence??????


by low bar on 8/6/2012 @ 4:24pm
Fredo, and this is coming from the bottom of my heart, but the best thing you can do is shut your myopic, provincial bullshit slinging ass up, for everyone in this online discussion forum. I truly believe that's the best thing. If you're going to be a nearsighted little twit, you should go do it somewhere else you baseless fog machine riding conservative tool

by fredo on 8/6/2012 @ 4:43pm

low bar, if you don't enjoy the discussion why don't you stop posting? only a stupid person continues following a discussion they aren't interested in. oops, that means you're a stupid person. oh well, if the shoe fits. 

by low bar on 8/6/2012 @ 4:48pm
just be glad we're not in iraqi parliament or the shoe would come flying at you! hahahahahahaah

I'll stop posting on this thread the day you defend against the evident race to the bottom with some kind of rhetoric that doesn't make me want to cringe 

by low bar on 8/6/2012 @ 5:04pm
here's the thing, fredo, dumbass, at the beginning of this thread you are asking to subjugate democracy for capitalism. Tell us why you are such an ironic jerk? You your self are one of those paranoids afraid of subjugation of government. But then you go around hypocritically subjugating democracy in favor of another power?


You want to cut back on democracy? Go for it, but cutting back on democracy is bad for America, any which way you slice your bullshit pie. Myers broke the law, the unions are using the dues to bring light to this, who the f*cuk are you fredo to muddy the waters of democracy you little sweat gnat?

by Jesse on 8/6/2012 @ 5:14pm
"Jesse@, are discussions improved when there is a final posting? How does this improve a discussion?"  -- fredo

You mean a "final thought" like on the Maury Povich show?  Probably not.  =) ...but some of the name calling here is a bit Maury-Povich-esque.

by low bar on 8/6/2012 @ 5:21pm
Don't worry about the name calling. Worry about more power falling into the hands of an institution even more difficult to have accountability in: a wall street that doesn't give a rats ass about main street. 

by fredo on 8/6/2012 @ 5:54pm
Most of the people on "main street" probably have a greater investment in "wall street" than you might think. If they have any kind of an pension plan whatsoever it's probably invested in equities, which are also referred to as common stock.

Regarding Wall Street, President Obama pledged to clean up Wall Street when he ran for office in 2008. Guess what happened? That's right...nothing. In fact he appointed a bunch of wall street weasels to government offices.

Jesse I agree with you about the name calling stuff. I used to be a bartender so I don't take it too personally. low bar comes off just like the boozy broads I had to throw out at closing time.

by low bar on 8/6/2012 @ 6:00pm
diversion. you started the thread fredo subjugating democracy in favor of capitalism. that's not obama's fault. you don't want to face the facts of your own hypocrisy that's fine, not a surprise coming from a bullshit cocktail mixer. lets just hope the drinks you mixed were stouter then the watery bullshit you served all over this thread.

by fredo on 8/6/2012 @ 6:10pm
Nobody is jubjugating democracy. If the local unions want to hire minimum wage folks from the mission to march around in front of the IGA bumming cigarettes off all the pedestrians and telling people how bad minimum wages are in an ill considered attempt to demonstrate what stand up guys the local union members are... it's OK with me.

by low bar on 8/6/2012 @ 7:00pm
Glad its ok for you to base your arguments on hearsay. Oh they didn't teach you about hearsay in bar tending school? If you were a roman your name would be moronus maximus.

Nobody is......ah yes the go to conservative 'I don't know what you're talking about' willful ignorance stance hahahaha

but at this point its obvious you're not even bright enough to be called a conservative. you're just a guy with a bunch of dumbass POVs. hahahaha

fredo, tell you what big guy, if you were as good at throwing out 'female customers' as you are at throwing out my points on this thread.....hahahahahahaha boy.......I bet closing time at your place looked a lot like you running from the bulls in pamploma you weakass sexist little twerp

by low bar on 8/6/2012 @ 7:22pm
Wait I'm not done....fredo if you were a drink your name would be water hahahahaa no your name would be a virgin dihydrogen monoxide

by fredo on 1/4/2013 @ 11:14pm
I guess the pickets finally followed fredo's advice, smart!

by low bar on 1/5/2013 @ 5:56pm
Was your advise to them to take a break during the really cold weather?

Probably the smartest advise you ever gave to prevent someone from getting pneumonia.

Fredumbo, I was wrong about you. You are so considerate of the condition of your fellow Tacomans.